John, while you may like using SEMG, none of the advisory groups (just what 'advisory groups' are you talking about) have recommended it, nor has any supported the notion it will detect VSC as Kent contends. It's used just to increase charges (I use the sub station, and at not time do i charge patients for it, no more than i charge them for the computers that i use, or the tables that i use, because it is a tool for practice, not an income machine, like most medipractors like you try to claim) to patients and nothing more. As one other vendor once called the Sub Station, it's a "So What" instrument. Just as other subluxation hunters have used heat sensitive instruments like BJ's infamous NCM, or Pierce-Stillwagon's DTG, there will always be those who think heat variations mean much more than just heat variations.

But that's not the real gripe with Kent, Rongberg and Gentempo. All of these vendors use demagoguery (and just what are you using??, do you think that you are working toward peace.  I have not seen anything on here positive about anyone in the profession, who has any credibility what so ever) to promote themselves and push their products. None have worked toward unity and peace in the profession, but these WCA phonies have pushed their agenda (to sell products) and their dogma (ChiropracTIC Ober Alles) onto to an unsuspecting profession and public. My articles have clearly detailed their evil genius to exploit this profession. Enuf sed, ya folla?

But that's not the real gripe with Kent, Rongberg and Gentempo. All of these vendors use demagoguery (and just what are you using??, do you think that you are working toward peace.  I have not seen anything on here positive about anyone in the profession, who has any credibility what so ever) to promote themselves and push their products. None have worked toward unity and peace in the profession, but these WCA phonies have pushed their agenda (to sell products) and their dogma (ChiropracTIC Ober Alles) onto to an unsuspecting profession and public. My articles have clearly detailed their evil genius to exploit this profession. Enuf sed, ya folla?

Like Yasser Arafat, (you are comparing enterprising chiropractors to the worlds most famous terrorist's, you have a radical imagination) these radicals use ideology to recruit naive and impressionable followers, then these evil vendors exploit them for as much money as they can, hiding behind such noble interests as "protecting the principle," "working toward a subluxation-free world," yada, yada, yada.

Just as Big $id ripped off this profession for millions, the WCA phonies have the same agenda using demagoguery to further their profits and power. I'm saddened that you and others can't see thru their charade, (i would be suprised if you really believed any of the junk you put out about people) but that's been a problem for many DCs for a long time, starting with the charismatic yet evil BJ Palmer (now BJ Palmer is EVIL?  Why in the world did a misguided person like you ever become a chiropractor, if you hate it so much GET OUT), then the charming yet crazy Sid Williams and Jim Parker, and now we have the next generation of charismatic con-artists like Guy Riekeman, Rongberg, Kent, Gentempo, CJ Mertz, (you just tore apart some of the strongest chiropractors in the world) to name a few of the latest nut cases to exploit this profession.

If all these people are nut cases, and BJ Palmer is Evil, where exactly does someone like you see the profession going?  Yes, i know, multi-disciplinary "accepted by medicine", treatotherapist like yourself?

Like i said above, people like you should leave our profession, but that will never happen, because your financing comes from the people sitting on the cookie jar. 

RESPONSE
Name: JCS - Date: Nov 15, 2004
RE: IN DEFENSE OF CLA

"now we have the next generation of charismatic con-artists like Guy Riekeman, Rongberg, Kent, Gentempo, CJ Mertz, (you just tore apart some of the strongest chiropractors in the world) "

Well, Chiro bulldog, you sure told me off, eh?

Your comments typify the demagoguery that permeates the hate-straight group of charismatic cultists. Your assertion above illustrates your naive understanding of the hidden agenda among these evil vendors who use idealism to foment discord while they profit.

For example, can you name for me why you feel these vendors are "some of the strongest chiopractors in the world"? As far as I know, none have any degrees in higher education, all are vendors, all wish to dumb-down chiro education, and none profess unity within this profession.

Palmer Univ. was happy to let Riekeman go, Rongberg's phony WCA has been discredited by every respectible association in the world, Kent and Gentempo's Sub Station is a "so-what" instrument that has nothing to do with detecting or correcting VSC, and CJ Mertz is the newest charismatic con-artist who believes SMT can cure pimples. So tell me: what's so strong about any of them?

While impressionable DCs may idolize such charismatics, those of us who've been around for a while now realize these men are out of the same mold as Big $id and Rev. Reggie--demagogues who manipulate the mindless in order to control and to profit at the expense of the entire profession. They tell 'em what they want to hear as they pick your pockets. As a former employee of Big $id, I know only too well about this sordid situation, ya folla?

You seem annoyed I used the Arafat connection, but the similarity is uncanny. Just like Arafat, these straight ideologues would rather die than concede that their outdated concepts have kept this profession in poverty, kept it disfunctional, and kept its image in the gutter with their chirovangelism. Recalling Big $id do the Money Hum on 60 Minutes was an event that none of us will ever forget--a nightmare that will take 3 generations to overcome.

Just like Arafat, all have profited using yellow journalism (do you really think that Rongberg's rag is legit?) to foment discord as they laugh to the bank, or in Big $id's case, chanted the Money Hum. Indeed, they all are chiro terrorists more interested in discord and profit than healing this splintered profession. Can you name just one instance when Big $id, Riekeman, Mertz, or Rondberg have spoken of unity? Never! Not once. And just like terrorists, they'll use whatever they can to rally the troops against peace, whether it's fundamentalist Islam or fundamentalist chiropracTIC.

I daresay if what I say is untrue, then let's have these charlatans submit to a democratic election. Let the profession dictate who are real leaders are rather than some self-appointed creeps like these charlatans. Whaddaya say? If democracy is good for our country, why not this profession? Afraid to lose? Afraid your agenda may not be popular? Afraid your agenda is inappropriate? And if you lose, you can still stay in this profession, I promise.

Lastly, I didn't get into this profession to genuflect to BJ, the original chiro terrorist. I got into it because my back was injured while playing football at the Univ. of California (Go Bears). Getting results is more important to me and to my patients than the outdated ideology of BJ or his disciples, ya folla? Indeed,the only thing I see that's come from Innatism is an undying belief in an outdated concept of vitalism that has smeared our profession's image and tainted the minds to too many well-meaning but mislead DCs like you. If you want faith healing, may I suggest that you leave the profession and join Rev. Reggie's Church of the Divine Spine?

You can foment your own discord with the typical demonization of me and anyone who professes evidence-based healthcare rather than meta-physical based cultism, but the future of this profession rests in science, not demagoguery, my friend. The sooner you learn that, the better; and the sooner you forget the charismatic con-artists who've beguiled you, the sooner you may not feel embarrassed about your own terroristis attitude, ya folla?

Chiro Bulldog asks, "where exactly does someone like you see the profession going?  Yes, i know,multi-disciplinary "accepted by medicine", treatotherapist like yourself?"

Spoken like a true chiro Nazi. Do you have a problem with multi-disciplinary care or do you think SMT will cure everything? Do you have a problem with being "accepted by medicine" or do you think being on the fringe is best? And your stupid comment, "treatotherapist" is neither funny or clever, but it does show your own demagoguery to vilify opponents when your facts cannot. Your ugly comments show perfectly how naive you actually are--a young turk willing to blow himself up for the cause, one that is neither understood or worthwhile.

Chiropractic Reformation will happen with or without you. Until these chirovangelists are gone, this profession will continue to suffer. In fact, if it weren't for the ACA's efforts on Capitol Hill, I'd hate to think where Williams and Rongberg would have taken us--back to 1895, no doubt. While you may be fooled by them, don't think for a second that the legislators don't understand who the legitimate DCs are and who the "loonies" are, as one legislator confided to me. Indeed, altho some DCs are mesmerized by these charlatans, no one else is. Wake up and smell the death of chiro cultism 'cause it stinks!

May the Life Force be with you.

JCS

Well, Chiro bulldog, you sure told me off, eh? (My point was not telling you off but offering another opinion, this is a discussion form is it not?) 

Your comments typify the demagoguery (Big word!) that permeates the hate-straight group (Interesting name for people who choose to practice pure chiropractic) of charismatic cultists (Again, interesting use of a word for chiropractors practicing chiropractic, but most of us chiropractors would disagree with you.) Your assertion above illustrates your naive understanding (My naive understanding or your hate of people who have passion for what they do and what they believe in)  of the hidden agenda among these evil vendors who use idealism to foment discord while they profit.

For example, can you name for me why you feel these vendors are "some of the strongest chiopractors in the world"? (These vendors have something to sell, sure, and if you don't want to buy their products, DON'T, that is what a market economy is!)As far as I know, none have any degrees in higher education (Obviously, you don't think a chiropractic education rates as HIGHER EDUCATION, what DOES in your opinion, a degree in medicine?), all are vendors, all wish to dumb-down chiro education (Dumb down, by this you mean keeping it pure?), and none profess unity within this profession. (And you do profess unity, by using adolecent attacks on people who are doing something within the profession?  Please your hypocricy is insulting to all who understand the TRUTH!) 

Palmer Univ. was happy to let Riekeman go, Rongberg's phony WCA has been discredited by every respectible association in the world, Kent and Gentempo's Sub Station is a "so-what" instrument that has nothing to do with detecting or correcting VSC, and CJ Mertz is the newest charismatic con-artist who believes SMT can cure pimples. So tell me: what's so strong about any of them? (All of those folks you mentioned have done much for chiropractic, you seem to have a problem that they have made a living pushing pure, subluxation based chiropractic.  They are pushing what chiropractic was founded upon, not trying to get you "treatotherapist" to change what you are doing)

While impressionable DCs may idolize such charismatics, those of us who've been around for a while (so years in practice, for you, means giving up on the principles on which chiropractic was founded?)  now realize these men are out of the same mold as Big $id and Rev. Reggie--demagogues who manipulate the mindless (these people who you chastise have helped more young chiropractors become better at serving patients than you, or any of your "like minded" friends will ever hope to in a hundred lifetimes!) in order to control and to profit at the expense of the entire profession. They tell 'em what they want to hear as they pick your pockets. As a former employee of Big $id, I know only too well about this sordid situation, ya folla? 

You seem annoyed I used the Arafat connection, but the similarity is uncanny (Arafat was a terrorist who ended peoples lives, to use this comparrison just shows how angry you really are.  You try and pose as some intellectual just trying to help, but in fact, your vehement attacks just show your lack of professionalism, and your complete disdain for all things chiropractic). Just like Arafat, these straight ideologues would rather die (Thoreau, once stated, that, "we live, as deeply as we believe".  Because some people are passionate and love something, does not make them terrorist, if so, you would be on the most wanted list) than concede that their outdated concepts (if you really think that chiropractic is so outdated, turn in your 'non-higher education' DC degree and go to medical school, since these are the folks in whom you have most faith!)have kept this profession in poverty, kept it disfunctional, and kept its image in the gutter with their chirovangelism. Recalling Big $id do the Money Hum on 60 Minutes was an event that none of us will ever forget--a nightmare that will take 3 generations to overcome.  (I humbly have to agree with you that SID, on the outside was a complete embarrassment, although he has done much for chiropractic.)

Just like Arafat, all have profited using yellow journalism (do you really think that Rongberg's rag is legit?) to foment discord as they laugh to the bank, or in Big $id's case, chanted the Money Hum. Indeed, they all are chiro terrorists (there you go again, you should run for office using the terrorist word so much!) more interested in discord and profit than healing this splintered profession. Can you name just one instance when Big $id, Riekeman, Mertz, or Rondberg have spoken of unity? (How could anyone ever even consider unity with folks like you, seriously, think about this arguement, just look at yourself and your attacks on the people who are practicing pure chiropractic) Never! Not once. And just like terrorists, they'll use whatever they can to rally the troops against peace, whether it's fundamentalist (you mean pure and unsullied without therapies?) Islam or fundamentalist chiropracTIC.

I daresay if what I say is untrue, then let's have these charlatans submit to a democratic election. Let the profession dictate who are real leaders are rather than some self-appointed creeps like these charlatans (I dare say, that Dr. Mertz was elected by the ICA folks, and further that who elected you?  Put up for election, your opinions, i know that when i have seen them, people overwhelmingly voted against your views). Whaddaya say? If democracy is good for our country, why not this profession? Afraid to lose? Afraid your agenda may not be popular? Afraid your agenda is inappropriate? And if you lose, you can still stay in this profession, I promise.

Lastly, I didn't get into this profession to genuflect to BJ, the original chiro terrorist. (I am so glad that you spoke what you really believe, you think BJ was a terrorist, how sad it must be for you to have on your wall a degree from a profession, founded by someone you think is a terrorist!! How do you stand yourself, why not find something that you could be positive about.  Seriously, if i felt like you i would find something else to do.  I don't know how someone like you, who obviously has much passion, but is just completely misguided bear to be a chiropractor actually believing BJ was a terrorist)I got into it because my back was injured while playing football at the Univ. of California (Go Bears). Getting results is more important to me and to my patients (if this were true, than you would not attack others for doing what they believe is best for their patients) than the outdated ideology of BJ (outdated ideology, now we are getting down to what is really in your heart!) or his disciples, ya folla? Indeed,the only thing I see that's come from Innatism is an undying belief in an outdated concept of vitalism (You obviously never read any research coming from medicine and what you would consider mainstream science or physics, because all of those groups are doing and continue to do vitalistic research)that has smeared our profession's image and tainted the minds to too many well-meaning but mislead DCs like you. If you want faith healing,(faith healing, is that what chiropractors are doing now?) may I suggest that you leave the profession and join Rev. Reggie's Church of the Divine Spine?  (May i suggest, that you and your followers leave the profession to those who like it the way it is, and the way it has been)

You can foment your own discord with the typical demonization of me (what is good for the goose is good for the gander!) and anyone who professes evidence-based healthcare rather than meta-physical based cultism, (again, nice use of big words, but does not change a thing) but the future of this profession rests in science, not demagoguery, my friend. (Our future, and i say we being chiropractors, rest in philosophy.  If left in the hands of scientist, we would offer nothing more over a PT doing manipulation) The sooner you learn that, the better; and the sooner you forget the charismatic con-artists who've beguiled you, (no one swayed or influenced me, my decision to become a chiropractor was based on personal experience, along with many within this profession) the sooner you may not feel embarrassed about your own terroristis attitude, (I am not embarrassed by my attitude, i suggest that it is you, who loves to ridicule people, but when someone holds up a mirror to you, OH NO, attack!, Please help yourself) ya folla?

Chiro Bulldog asks, "where exactly does someone like you see the profession going?  Yes, i know,multi-disciplinary "accepted by medicine", treatotherapist like yourself?"

Spoken like a true chiro Nazi. (Another intersting phrase, definitely shows your desire for unification?) Do you have a problem with multi-disciplinary care or do you think SMT will cure everything? Do you have a problem with being "accepted by medicine" (In my offices, we get referrals from MD's all the time, because we do not do SMT, we adjust, and that is what they send patients for.  More MD's are running from Medicine like never before, and more sad DC's like yourself are trying to be more like them, why is that or do you not understand this?)  or do you think being on the fringe is best? And your stupid comment, "treatotherapist" is neither funny or clever, (This was not to be funny or clever, simply to point out what you are.  You are not a chiropractor, you don't even like chiropractic) but it does show your own demagoguery to vilify opponents when your facts cannot. (All of my facts are facts, what you think a fact is, is in your own mind) Your ugly comments (my ugly comments, please just read over what you wrote my friend, you are one angry wanna be MD) show perfectly how naive you actually are--a young turk willing to blow himself up for the cause, one that is neither understood or worthwhile.

Chiropractic Reformation (please, no matter what your numbers are, you will spend the rest of your life being disappointed.  Truth will always have victory over EVIL, and evil is what you are spreading.  Maybe you think you are really doing good, by calling BJ and everyone who thinks like him a terrorist and a Nazi, and spreading Hate like you do.  Some day you will feel like you have wasted much time.  I am not saying that your views will ever change, but why live your  life like this?  Why not spread some joy, or try and say something good about someone or something!) will happen with or without you. Until these chirovangelists are gone, this profession will continue to suffer. In fact, if it weren't for the ACA's efforts on Capitol Hill, I'd hate to think where Williams and Rongberg would have taken us--back to 1895, no doubt. While you may be fooled by them, (i am not, and have never been fooled by anyone, i think on deeper reflexion, you may realize it is you who are going to go the way of the Beta machine!) don't think for a second that the legislators (Politicians will say anything to someone with the hate you have, just to make you go away, don't you realize that?) don't understand who the legitimate DCs are and who the "loonies" are, as one legislator confided to me. Indeed, altho some DCs are mesmerized by these charlatans, no one else is. Wake up and smell the death of chiro cultism 'cause it stinks!

May the Life Force be with you.

(Wake up and smell the confusion!)

Like a broken record, here I go again trying to explain to a chirovangelist wrapped in the banner of self-righteousness the problems facing this profession. Sadly, the typical response includes snide remarks, denial of problems, avoidance to see Evil Vendors exploiting this profession, and their “you’re not a pure chiropractor if you disagree with me” attitude. Yada, yada, yada...

Obviously my previous response did not sway this man’s consciousness; perhaps it was too deep as he admitted he didn’t understand what “demagoguery” meant. Obviously his remarks exemplify exactly that he is a victim of demagoguery, as have many $idiots and chirovangelists have for decades. Sometimes it's tragic to see how some are so beguiled, but that's the problem with demagoguery, ya folla?

So, let me share with you a recent comment on another discussion thread made by a chiro researcher, Dr. Craig Nelson, that I found a fresh approach to this problem:

“Every profession transmits to its members a set of values and principles (its DNA if you will). In terms of the ecological theory I referenced earlier this DNA remains fairly constant over time. Members  of the profession are judged by the extent to which they conform to this set of ideals. In chiropractic this set of principles would include:

• The belief that we are a persecuted minority.
• The belief in the limitless (nearly) healing powers of chiropractic adjustment
• The belief that conventional medical science is inadequate to understand the methods of chiropractic
• The belief that the failure to measure the vast healing powers of the chiropractic adjustment is a failure of science, not a failure of chiropractic
• And the understanding that to fail to believe as above is evidence of one’s shortcomings as a chiropractor
  

“Such beliefs and others are transmitted in our schools, through our associations, through practice management seminars and elsewhere. While you may find some counter examples or qualifications to the above (as for example, the work of CCGPP) the collective weight of these ideals is considerable. In the Gallagher case, the defense of the indefensible was entirely consistent with chiropractic DNA.

”I’m not suggesting that there is some absolute deterministic principle which precludes any meaningful reform. Not at all.  Numerous examples have just been cited of very positive reform. I think it is useful, however, to hold in one’s mind the understanding that it is we who are the professional deviants and not the defenders of Gallagher or Gallagher herself.”

Like Muslim radicals who see no need for reform, Chiro fundamentalist also see no need for reform or progress—just pop and pray to Innate is their chant (along with the Money Hum). Their chiropracTIC DNA cannot understand any cry for Reform in this profession ("Innate is perfect, ya folla?"), and for those who do seek reform beginning with the abolition of Evil Vendors who mold this profession to their profit and ideology, they react as we’ve seen in this discussion thread.

Inexplicably with the facts laid out so clearly in my Articles, it amazes me how anyone can ignore these Evil Vendors. I must think he simply hasn’t read them and simply reacted on a gut level—kinda like my former friend who couldn’t understand why the Jehovah Witnesses were so poorly regarded despite their obvious cultism attitudes, ("we're right, everyone else is wrong.")

If this chirovangelist indeed does have an open, educated mind, I invite him to attend the upcoming ACC-RAC seminar on March 17-19 in Las Vegas. Logon to http://www.c3r.org/accrac05/default.asp for more details. This year’s theme is “Emerging Research and Training Opportunities.”